I have had very few opportunities at over 125 yard in southern mi. I have been developing loads for a few years now, and can tell you that in the 77 action with the 16″ barrel, you cant overload a 250gn projectile with Lil Gun to the point of destruction. I’d like to see some dedicated hot bolt-action loads that have a longer OAL to prevent them from fitting in an AR mag at some point in the future. Spot on. The 405 gr. If I hunted where a 30-06 was legal I would use it. There are fewer coyote hunters, and coyotes eat calves while deer don’t. And please don’t be too hard on Ohio. [4] The cartridge is chambered in bolt action rifles by Ruger, Savage, and Remington, Ruger's No. “Night Moves” is the saddest song ever. Power factor adds 50% for the 450 and performance on game is FAR superior. I don’t know if it is mentioned in any of the many comments, but there is an excellent forum on the 450BM at http://www.450bushmaster.net. amazing rifle for deer. As for the 7.62×39, it has very heavily tapered case walls and a generous headspace tolerance and is usually fired out of rifles with overly large chambers. If I had to take a shot for every time I heard some braggart talk about shooting deer at 900 yards, my liver would have shut down years ago. I also have built them in 7.62×39 for the reason of people having problems with this round. Lacking the manufacturing to create one’s own mags, It would have to be on a STANAG mag body with mods. Muzzle brakes are available, supplied with protective barrel cap. A full charge of Ramshot Enforcer behind a 200gr. With a roughly a .100″ longer case it sits in the sweet spot with a 158gr or 180gr bullet moving at around 2300fps and recoils less than a 243. The information about the round (except for the recoil, which is more of a shove than a hit, and the overemphasis on magazine problems), where the author sticks to the facts, is accurate. To climb on the Bushmaster bandwagon, I ordered a brand-new Rock River Arms (RRA) LAR-15M.It is top drawer. The .450 BM is sort of the Star Wars: The Last Jedi of the cartridge world. Introduced by Bushmaster and Hornady in late 2007, the .450 Bushmaster was an attempt to improve the ballistic performance of AR-15 rifles. I have seen first hand how the 20ga bolt slug rifles have open up new vistas to lower MI hunters. Like any fresh build it had a couple of quirks in feeding the first few rounds while taking HUGE chunks out of a log I was using as a back stop. 1 - … It isn’t a long-range round, but it’s capable of delivering more lead inside its effective range than almost any other round in common use today. It’s about the only size left that hasn’t got the word magnum hung on it anywhere. you cannot believe how many people show up with a plastic stocked pump weighing in at 6.5 lbs , and shooting sabot’s with 385 gr at 1900 fps . But no one complains about overpowered. So why is it so damn popular today? That said, the Barnes 275g .451 offering is the most aerodynamic I’ve found yet. Available in stainless steel only. Make sure you only use all steel mags. Every one of those hits was from a deer clearing cover at full speed, head down in a full out run. That being said and lucky for us there is a new cartridge out there for those hunters that must use straight walled cartridges, the 350 Legend. The beginner to the .450 should know that they ought to buy a factory-made .450 rifle, and a bolt-action at that. I have shot numerous 450s out to 300 yard target shooting and all of them shot sub-moa groups at the 300yd mark using factory ammo! I have the Ruger American 450BM in SS with the 22″ barrel. most of the guns I have seen chambered for it art very light and short barrel . .450 Bushmaster… After blowing holes through deer with my 30-06 and 35 Whelen and tracking them all day I bought a 450BM upper for my AR. Oh and p.s. I saw the 450 Scout and thought ‘why not’? Oh and a AR 15 is way more affordable than a AR 10. Buckle up, kids, we’re going to cover a lot of ground in the next 1,900 words. Just use the bolt from a 7.62×39 AR. The round is very accurate and I agree its a great 200 yard round, if you get bolt only ammo or hand load 300+ yards. It hammers deer, I’d probably prefer 357 AR rimless max if major manufactures did pressure tests and got 358 rifle bullets hitting 2600 fps ie 180 grain Barnes. EGW Scope base 20 MOA. 1 single shot rifle, AR-15 rifles, as well as an AR-15 pistol by Franklin Armory.[5]. Knowing what needs to be tweaked saves a lot of frustration. Except for maybe “Running On Empty”, by Jackson Browne. Brownells is your source for Rifle Barrels,Barrel Parts at Brownells parts and accessories. Just got an AR chambered in .458 socom…bigger round, better ballistics…why bother with the smaller nonsense(only for the hunting reason above?). (60 mm) OAL to the now standard 1.700 in. 1 single-shot in stainless and laminate that I have had the pleasure of testing. This permitted operation in the more abundant and popular AR-15 platform versus the AR-10 platform. Nope, no way. But that’s the straight wall game. The case is what makes it legal for these straight-walled (non-bottlenecked) zones, but it isn’t exactly straight. It is, in point of fact, a terribly designed cartridge that has a huge number of flaws. I’ve had the chance to fire each and they are all excellent performers. Maybe bigshot outdoors writers that travel around to all kinds of exciting hunting with different rifles can say differently, but that’s out of touch from an average Joe in Iowa who just wants range, accuracy, and a clean kill. bullets because of the lower impact velocities and energies would not adequately expand the heavier jacketed .458 in. I will most likely keep it under 200. I like my Ruger scout in 450BM because I’ll get to use a nice rifle while hunting rather than a shotgun. Im really enjoying this gun. It’s capable of handling huge bullets over 350 grains, has a .308 case head, making it just a barrel swap on most .308 rifles, and is easily able to kill all North American game with the right bullets, up to and including grizzly. If he doesn’t understand why there are so many more options of season and rifles for coyote hunters, he’s not too bright. It still shoots factory just fine as well and also cast if you powdercoat and gas check with sages outdoors gas check (made for AR). Hornady FTX designed for the 460 S&W shot at just over 2600fps across my Chrony from the 16″ barrel. Hornady has a 250gr FTX load that has been the standard for years. It IS legal. The Carbine. That’s a poser. I just put a feeler out to RCBS to see if they would be interested in doing the chamber reamer. Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and Iowa are among the states where a somewhat new cartridge is taking the woods and fields by storm. Why no love for 50 beowulf. Wouldn’t that be something? Perhaps with only a new, custom, follower. Earlier this summer, Buffalo Bore released four loads to cover everything from deer to grizzly bear. The trajectory of most .450 factory ammo allows you to zero at about 200 yards and hold right on anywhere inside that. For the pigs I hunt in the north, this cartridge is doing great. I just heard back from Carson Lilja. Almost looks like a rifle bullet! Inspired by this, LeGendre developed his .45 Professional cartridge,[when?] The beginner should know that there are forces that drive sales and popularity, but not all are valid or even logical. He claims to have written extensively about this caliber, yet recommends the .44 mag over the vastly superior killing ballistics of 450 B? Perhaps the 7.62X39 case blown out to make a 10.5 (.416) X39? BTW, who might you be? The laminate stock comes with a sporting-style recoil pad. The .450 Bushmaster has come of age and is making waves. Why not compare 450 Bushmaster to 12 ga slugs, because that’s the real choice for actual real world hunters? I am also a huge 45-70 fan, so getting a 450BM in a bolt was a must have. That was a good beginner article if I ever saw one.). Instead it’s just a bumbling mess of random features that we somehow have to live with. bullets. The Mesa weighs in starting at 6.5 pounds and is backed by the Christensen Arms Sub-MOA Guarantee. Subscribe for FREE now to ensure you never missa single vital update... ©COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. And I’m not in a beginner class by any measurable standard. I have to concur on your sentiments about the deer in Michigan. Misinformed 450 hater! To each his own but for me I have high hopes for the 450. It’s performance on game is unknown at this time but it is basically a lengthened version of the 357 Maximum. (I don’t know why this didn’t post with the original. That’s a bit of a pain, but once done on a number of cases it won’t be needed again for some time. Went home and found a dandy load in the Western Powders Load Book, 7th ed. My reloads have 300 grain pill at 2100 fps. Plus been told by a few others DRT or 2-4 steps. Have you seen any stuff for it? It still might be doable in a small shop like mine though. I have a 450 Bushmaster AR upper from bear Creek that functions flawlessly. It’s easy; the DNR wants as many coyotes killed as possible and only wants to control the deer herd. Is she a looker or should she be in a moo-moo for public consumption? , I’ve shot nothing but Hornady 250gr FTX and only have Brenton magazines for my .450 and have been thrilled with it (although I DID slap a Limbsaver recoil pad on it…). And the capacity still ought to push a 300 grain slug at 1500 fps or more. I just recently finished an AR .450B build, Modified a 223 It has a 20 inch barrel, medium length gas, and I use a heavy buffer. The answer is in the case. I like that it isn’t a long-range round. Know anyone in the bullet biz? The standard XM-15 has a forged 7075T6 aircraft-grade aluminum upper and lower receiver. (not really! The problem with this is that the relatively flimsy AR action is prone to damage when introduced to the type of pressure the .450 BM can generate if loaded hot. (57.40 mm) OAL. Here in Illinois, people hunt deer with scoped revolvers in .357 Magnum. The use a 275 gr Barnes XPB all copper bullet. So now that we’ve established that the .450 isn’t that great a design, we need to look at why it’s actually a terrible cartridge for beginners. But I do prefer to sticking to the basics. (43.18 mm) case and 2.260 in. There are only a few true options out there that I’ve seen, and a couple I can’t release details on just yet because they’re still in development. It keeps Michigan’s deer with CWD from infecting the Kentucky herds. but we will be trying hard to catch up soon. Michigan may have the best beaches, but Illinois leads in the category of legislative ignorance. Sub MOA accuracy and 6 DRT deer convinced me but then NY outlawed AR’s. States across the country are now allowing the use of straight-walled cases in what used to be shotgun-only zones for deer. All I’ve heard has been comments like flawless, cannon, DRT, under 1 moa and How much for another ? Certainly a lot quieter than my 24″ 7mm Mag Tikka. I built mine from standard parts and used a mid gas, 20″ BM barrel. Just an update, picked up a Ruger in 450BM and with a 2×7 Vortex scope on top it shot to just over .75moa right out of the gate after break in with factory loads. Im an Australian hunter and have shot many good years with my 45-70 levergun, but two years ago I wanted to jump on the ‘Scout Rifle’ wagon but owned a lot of 308 bolt guns already. I also own a Ruger American in 450BM and couldn’t be happier. It is also a safe gun thanks to a rebounding external hammer system. Cooper was dissatisfied with the small-diameter 5.56×45mm NATO (.223 Remington) of the AR-15, and envisioned a need for a large bore (.44 cal or greater) cartridge in a semi-automatic rifle to provide one-shot kills on big-game animals at 250 yards. I also like my Henry BB in 45 Colt. Ammunition: The struggle of the .450 has also been in the ammo arena. Bushy is flatter with more energy. Plus, every HUNTER model is perfectly balanced in a 100% ambidextrous composite stock making the gun incredibly quick to aim and shoot. Twist is required to stabilize subsonic bullets in barrels under 12″ at 6.5 and! Cartridge also suffers from another problem: weak sauce loads and face of... 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