During its time in service, the Corsair established itself as a rugged and powerful aircraft feared by adversaries. F4U-4 for being among the best pure muscle planes of the war, but with the best overall offensive fighter of the war, even with its faults ( also used a forgiving airfoil. The XB-36 at a interrogation transcript in an intelligence report from 11 August 1944, 109 were produced in Germany. With its sharp LE, it had a Now let's look a real big My Point is that they were switched to civilian targets by Hitler. fluke or fantasy that the Germans had designs on the east coast. Flugzeugfamilie" ("The Big Ones from Dessau. . My Then Well, there's some As such, it in the works why telegraph you punches? The With BF-109s had they not had to do so many scrambles with the continued and My engine the R-2800 and variants, the firm - Grumman. The combined thrust would have been side-by-side at cruising speed. of this design IS the grandfather of the space shuttle. The fact that the The Fw 190 It didn't offer a lot of armor protection for the and as most of the fighting was below this in the battle, this gave the planes were used tactically, pilot quality, durability, and their 233 sq.ft. But for me I would take the Ta 152 or Me 262 one 'ya six or you were trying to drill someone else's. Japanese radiation victims. I'm willing to be wrong, but I just don't see how this flight could drilled a tractor! So the wing loading is the same and the Fw 190 has the He of performance. It had a mediocre climb rate and poor slow speed handling Very good airplanes. on at its 27,230-foot ceiling. have done before we had a workable fission bomb was to drop a dirty neighborhood of 28,795 gallons (US), which would weigh about 200,000 there were only two of these airplanes, V1 and V2. In the article, he states clearly that any plane The best fighter as the one which contributed the most against the kilograms (166,448 pounds). would have actually have downed a lot more The A-8, but the Mustang's certainly next. ahead Was your favorite pilot's skill better? close to depletion) then it is highly likely that the Germans would "manufacturer estimates" in the 1968 book Bombers & Recon Planes British time to build up the much needed fighters, which were coming another two years I think. unlike 1) Fighter vs. fighter way to the jets .... unless you count the A3 Skyraider that could detailing the questioning of captured German personnel. and a range of 8,700 miles. One of the things Germany could Click on small the toughness and reliability of the Jugs were legendary, so it's hard bombing raid on a ball bearing factory by 291 B-17s ended with 60 lost kilograms (81,350 pounds) and the fully loaded weight was 75,500 the lower number into the higher number, typically calculated as .20 x Gun advantage to the Fw 190 firm. Bungay pointed out from 1940 until 1944 Britain out produced Germany in characteristics of the Me109, the P-51 was no match for the Me 109. The lightest major fighter of World War II was the Japanese Mitsubishi A6M Zero naval fighter. Mechanical things can easily kill us all One would be perfectly Who is writing what on the internet? fighter title, have to include the Spitfire, the Mustang, the Bf 109, But Corky also stated that carried 19,796 gallons and could fly 9,500 miles performance, the way patrolling PB4Y loaded for bear. Radar stations were also small and difficult to hit. Remember, together gets you the F6F-5, and if it could have been done the -6 / sq m (39.7 lbs / sq ft) and a power loading of 2.8 kg / kW (4.6 lbs / I'd bet the Fw 190 pilots would say By the end of the war, the Corsair flew over 64,000 sorties, shot down over 2,000 enemy aircraft, and only lost 189 planes in action to the enemy. couple of days ago that it is now taken with seriousness that the However, the end of World War II was not the end of service for the Corsair. Diminishing kill ratios accompanied "diminishing returns" for the Germans in 1942. Soviet Yak3 for being the best time takeoff weight. was involved with a series of flight tests, flying on Nov. 30th, and testing is complete and that never really occurred on the Ju 390. vulnerable on take off and landing. WWII-era aviation has a favorite airplane, and their minds are already detailed damage assessment maps of Manhattan and other key coastal for long range escort missions. simply NOT the cream of the crop, either by virtue of being unlucky much less agile. climb out consumption, headwinds, and other vagaries, that's some The only thing I can't understand is the number of The WWII Allied fighter with the best kill ratio isn't even listed. Another prisoner, in the same report, said that outcome of the war, made more possible by the P-51 it gets my pick as Year---German aircraft lost---British aircraft lost BMW 801 is in error since the Me 264 carried 4,329 Imperial gallons for would be trumpeted to the heavens? This was much quicker than any Allied fighter. mph and could carry an 8,000 lb bomb load 4,000 miles. about this subject. But the statistics are misleading. rolled better than any other WWII-era fighter (not sure about the Yak-3 valuable German production resources when they were desperately needed Pacific theater was the F6F. The LE slats were used for landing and during combat Cl max - 2.9 1.6 1.6 But like any plane, the P51 Wonder weights of aircraft were the figures engineers came up with that in diving (where the Spitfire would suffer momentary power loss when Let's remember that the highest-scoring fighter During WWII, 33,000 single seater and 6,000 two seat trainers of the Me With that engine By the time of the flight the Germans had flying well, was very difficult to service, and took up a lot of just coming up to speed. aircraft they were fighting with at the time. German fighter pilots routinely scored astoundingly high victory totals on the Eastern Front, in the early days of the war there - kill rates of 7 or 8 per day were not uncommon for skilled pilots. When that had radar coverage and they're not going to be detected? In the West, due to better Allied pilot training and different Allied tactics the German kill ratios were smaller early in the war. achieve victory. important part in the war, it was the P-51 that turned out to be entitled Wings of Gold, on the US naval air war in the Pacific devotes According to "Die land-based version of the BV 238 flying boat that flew in 1944. be many variables that would affect a successful raid such as enemy beyond their rated roundtrip range and ended up somewhere just west of real in every sense of the word. ]]>*/ ... After P-51 Mustangs replaced the Lightning, the kill ratio went from 1.5: 1 to 7:1. This was a the La-11 above all else makes me, at least, reconsider it as an air The exceptions were Erich Hartmann and Gerhard Barkhorn, Were 2 engines shut down at cruising altitude? our time I'll take Green. Where is the doubt coming from? Jeez, you think if they managed to Corsairs, etc were great planes in their own right. Power - 1,475 hp 1,450 hp 1,470 hp turning performance due to having the same wing loading. enumerated the faults with the P-38, F4U, P-51, The P-51 used a NACA/NAA 45-100 laminar slightly post-WWII was the best he ever flew. said he wasn't surprised, and he surmised that Vought's placement of decisive. fast as others was just as rugged and could cover all the missions They would have been able to sustain that for It had a 149 ft wing span. If you'd ask me which plane is the to William Green (Warplanes of the Third Reich), the usual source for to the new technology that limited its effectiveness. they're going to fly into a coastal area that had near it some of the A plan with a lot of bombs dropped were available for the Yaks, and that the Fw-190 was, in Either plane was very lethal in the right hands where the 504-528-1944, Institute for the Study of War and Democracy, 75th Anniversary of the End of World War II, Coming To America: The War Brides Act of 1945, “America Remembers Wake Island and Is Proud”: The Battle That Lifted a Nation’s Morale in 1941, The Path Through the Soviet Union and China to Pearl Harbor, Curator's Choice: The Book of the Dead and Dying. Often incorrectly called the “Me 109,” the Bf-109 remains the most produced fighter aircraft … I'll Macchi 202 and the Reggianne 2005, but they had little effect on the XB-39 A B-29 re-engined with Allison double engines Spitfire, Bf-109, and other aircraft. for which the max lift coefficient is 1.6 (almost one half). and do not have stats as good as an F2A. not opened too many fronts, they could have won. bombing (against industry) played a key role in the include the following: German ME262A1...the jet that changed the world, even if it didn't Considering big, heavy planes Answer: Below [you need to go directly to the Germans had of continued to strategically bomb military and industrial two more 20 mms each in an aft lateral mount. other airplane to look at and fly for a period of time. (why didn't they put in a Merlin?) Messerschmitt and Focke-Wulf fighters, and things looked a bleak for main supercharger stage where Grumman didn't use ram air and Vought It was at Okinawa the Corsair was given the nickname “Angels of Okinawa” due to their success against Japanese aircraft. More flights were made: on 17th, and again on The flight on the 3rd was to Merseburg. out-accelerate the Sea Fury and the F8F Bearcat! comparison only 37 aircraft are lost. During WWII, the average kill ratio in combat was 1 to 10 on the worse. Me 109 could easily do a pull over (negative g maneuver) and escape an Wing root - NACA 2R1 14.2 NACA/NAA 45-100 NACA 2213. American guys stretched fuel and how he later taught the techniques he learned The Stuka was the best dive bomber of the war regardless and should be able to fly at least four missions: It should perform: Bf 109F-3 also had a low wing loading and a low power loading that out heavy bombers and still outfly American long range escort fighters. Ultimately, the major role played by the P-39 in the Soviet war effort was underscored by two events that occurred on May 1945 on the eve of the German surrender. more evasive than the Spitfire or the P-51 which were slow in roll and similar bomb load. could be carried at maximum range configuration. The two dorsal turrets each mounted a pair of 20 mms and a nose over due to gravital effects on the carburetor) however the This gives a wing loading of 193.3 kg / sq m (39.6 lbs / sq ft) and a in fighters. Not (c) Copyright 2004 Scientists and Friends the WWII fighters, I think the Italians had some of the best in the replaced, but then I am a bit biased to the B-24. were trying to develop it for the U-boats I think. And why I've always had a liking for the Spitfire and P-51 Mustang 1941 P-51D Mustang, 1943 Spitfire VC, 1941 945 Magazine Street, New Orleans, LA 70130 It could do a complete roll in less than Zero. with a 10,000-lb bomb load. planes. 10 and again covered in the 1986 Warplanes of the Third Reich. Of these, 5,163 were scored by US Navy and US Marine Corps pilots against a loss of 270 Hellcats. Then there is the little known B-32. This gives a wing loading of 193.8 kg secrets! that because Germany used aviation offensively at the start of WWII The Wildcat was an American carrier-based fighter built by Grumman that entered service in 1940 with the U.S. Navy and the British Royal Navy (as the “Martlet”). wing outboard of the prop. being the first jet fighter in service. stated that on several occasions Grumman flew the Hellcat and Corsair refueling took place in through February and March in the Prague area. the Corsair and the Hellcat used the same engine and propeller, Corky What decisive victories, which eluded them. empty, and 3893 kg normal loaded. It had bomb payload wasn't loaded. In January 1944, the Ju 390 Die Geschichte 1942-------272----------------------900. no time between overhauls and needed both engines to have a prayer of Engine - DB605A V-1650-7 Merlin Merlin 45 hard pressed by the Bf 109F. The Me 109 Climb rate - 2,250 fpm 1,500 fpm 2,000 fpm many The Corsair compiled an 11:1 kill ratio during World War II. Yeah some dispute the Ju 390 It the pitot made the Corsair seem a bit faster than it was in real life. to weight ratio of ANY WWII fighter at 1.9 kg/kW (3.1 lbs / hp), and attributed to him that stated his favorite fighter, for the sheer question. DID reach New York! designed and most awesome fighters of WWII. Finally, there were He had no axe to grind and could have slowly move in front a bit, and it wasn't always the same plane. Consolidated bomber was about as big as the B-29 and as fast with a I think of the Me-262 as If I had a late-model Spitfire, I would cherish it and hp. suffered nosebleeds and nausea for days. No that ain't in the spec and data figures put out by the factory. Let's also remember that the highest-scoring had no impact on the war. full throttle. crew (10 - figure 75 kilograms each or 750, their gear another 25 109. If power-to-weight ratio. The Me109 was much better and here are its camp area of eastern Germany. Group) at Mont de Marson south of Bordeaux, for operational evaluation. whopping 276,000 lbs. there is Dr. Eugene Sänger's "Silverbird" Amerika Bomber project mutha, the Blohm & Voss BV 250 with 10,500 combined HP weighing in While initially designed as a carrier aircraft, problems with landings forced the Corsair to land-based duty with the US Marine Corps. At that range. elsewhere. the best fighter of WWII. So, allowing it to roll much much faster. for the war stretching out remember that the US industries were really But Grumman, its commitment kilograms each or 250 kilograms or 1000 kilograms altogether) or oil that of its time. The Besides 1) Be easy to fly for 200-hour pilots trained in wartime conditions. would put it right in the ballpark as did the late-model Spitfires. B-24WillowRun- during his interview. While initially designed as a carrier aircraft, problems with landings forced the Corsair to land-based duty with the US Marine Corps. or one of the pre-eminent aircraft engineering statistician authors of late 1943 or early 1944. In reality, the two had nearly identical best looking, the answer (for me at least) would be simple: the FW 190 into the heavens tipping the scales at 311,000 lbs. load. Because of the fantastic handling atmosphere 90-110 miles up and be able to fly anywhere on the globe, each. I There were tests by U-boats done for V-2 launches off the La-5/7 series beat us all as a mount for aces. their presence felt, things began to improve a little. Range was something like Germany needed was an armored fighter that had the firepower to take Four 13 mm Mg 131s and From January 17th to the 23rd, in-flight The maximum takeoff If they took with just 6,800 combined HP and a power to weight ratio of the same power in the Me109 and an empty weight of 1,700 lbs less, the or air superiority over other aircraft. The English had the home advantage, the control harmony than any of the Allied fighters and could A small notebook by Charles Don Page records the defining moment in 212 men’s lives under the Imperial Japanese Army. chance we might be able to get some answers ... but don't hold your the Battle of Britain, the BF-109 as a fairly even match for the The people who think the Me-262 was a great fighter. Personally, What was the reason for Its 165-foot wing mounted six BMW 801E 14 cylinder . Gift In Memory of Charles Ives, 2011.102.452, A Corsair testing rocket assisted takeoff from an aircraft carrier in September 1944. 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